Comments on: SND31 Winner-meter™: A periodic peek at the best http://www.snd.org/2010/02/snd31-winner-meter-a-periodic-peek-at-the-best/ Enhancing communication around the world through excellence in visual journalism. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:13:16 +0000 hourly 1 By: Cinco pistas sobre el buen periodismo « Desde Alfa Centauro http://www.snd.org/2010/02/snd31-winner-meter-a-periodic-peek-at-the-best/#comment-1016 Cinco pistas sobre el buen periodismo « Desde Alfa Centauro Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:53:44 +0000 http://www.snd.org/?p=3338#comment-1016 [...] 3 periódicos mejor diseñados del año… La Society of News Dessign, en su 31th edición, ha dado un golpe de timón conservador. The New York Times, Der Freitag (Berlín) y Franffuter [...] [...] 3 periódicos mejor diseñados del año… La Society of News Dessign, en su 31th edición, ha dado un golpe de timón conservador. The New York Times, Der Freitag (Berlín) y Franffuter [...]

]]> By: Billy Simkins http://www.snd.org/2010/02/snd31-winner-meter-a-periodic-peek-at-the-best/#comment-842 Billy Simkins Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:27:19 +0000 http://www.snd.org/?p=3338#comment-842 Steve, sorry. I forgot to put my last name. Billy Simkins, The Bakersfield Californian. I don't know exactly what I would be scared of. I think the LA Times does great stuff but I do believe people who look at the papers look to see what paper produced this. I've seen the LAT win awards for it's front page. Maybe I just don't see it, the front page of the LAT has always felt disorganized and blah. Dog legged stories, photos in random positions etc. Sometime I can't even tell what story the photo goes with if there is one. If that was the Tanglewood Times I doubt people would hold it with such high standards. I'm not knocking the LAT, I would love to have that flag over some of the work I've done. The design on a couple of those winners are basic 10 minute layouts. BTW, I've won 4 snd's including portfolio with minimal submissions. I put a whopping one in this year. I'm not bitter about winning or not winning any SND. Steve, sorry. I forgot to put my last name. Billy Simkins, The Bakersfield Californian. I don’t know exactly what I would be scared of. I think the LA Times does great stuff but I do believe people who look at the papers look to see what paper produced this. I’ve seen the LAT win awards for it’s front page. Maybe I just don’t see it, the front page of the LAT has always felt disorganized and blah. Dog legged stories, photos in random positions etc. Sometime I can’t even tell what story the photo goes with if there is one. If that was the Tanglewood Times I doubt people would hold it with such high standards. I’m not knocking the LAT, I would love to have that flag over some of the work I’ve done. The design on a couple of those winners are basic 10 minute layouts.

BTW, I’ve won 4 snd’s including portfolio with minimal submissions. I put a whopping one in this year. I’m not bitter about winning or not winning any SND.

]]> By: Dean Lockwood http://www.snd.org/2010/02/snd31-winner-meter-a-periodic-peek-at-the-best/#comment-838 Dean Lockwood Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:26:34 +0000 http://www.snd.org/?p=3338#comment-838 I can't speak for Billy -- maybe he does feel it's a big conspiracy thing. But there's also some possibility that seeing a certain "brand" puts the thought of "quality" into one's mind. There's probably studies on that. I don't think that's a game changer in this context, but just interesting to think about. As regards awards hauls, I will say again there's something bothersome in the fact that LAT (or other top winners) can WIN way more awards than many, many papers can even afford to ENTER pages. That doesn't make their work any less deserving. At all. But in practical terms, if you can put your paper's pages in front of eyes 200 more times than probably a majority of papers, the math is certainly going to work for you. (OK, if your paper sucked and you sent in 500 entries, maybe it wouldn't help.) I've just never liked the numbers thing. But I think the judges are above reproach. I can’t speak for Billy — maybe he does feel it’s a big conspiracy thing. But there’s also some possibility that seeing a certain “brand” puts the thought of “quality” into one’s mind. There’s probably studies on that. I don’t think that’s a game changer in this context, but just interesting to think about.

As regards awards hauls, I will say again there’s something bothersome in the fact that LAT (or other top winners) can WIN way more awards than many, many papers can even afford to ENTER pages.

That doesn’t make their work any less deserving. At all.

But in practical terms, if you can put your paper’s pages in front of eyes 200 more times than probably a majority of papers, the math is certainly going to work for you. (OK, if your paper sucked and you sent in 500 entries, maybe it wouldn’t help.)

I’ve just never liked the numbers thing. But I think the judges are above reproach.

]]> By: Steve Cavendish http://www.snd.org/2010/02/snd31-winner-meter-a-periodic-peek-at-the-best/#comment-836 Steve Cavendish Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:10:43 +0000 http://www.snd.org/?p=3338#comment-836 Billy, Are you saying that professional judges from all over the world in multiple years and multiple groups have been biased because it's the LA Times? Are you really willing to say that many people have no integrity? And . . . would you be willing to say that with your actual name and email attached to it instead of anonymously? What you're saying is that no matter who judges them (and we're talking at least 100 different judges in the last 5 years from all over the world), they look at the nameplate and vote for them because they're morally bankrupt and would vote for something not on the merits but because of the name. That's interesting. How SND keeps managing to find corrupt judges from every level of paper and country around the world is pretty amazing, isn't it? I mean, to find SO MANY of them who are willing to just ignore what a terrible looking paper the LAT actually is and continue to give it awards must take a lot of work and plotting by SND. Billy,

Are you saying that professional judges from all over the world in multiple years and multiple groups have been biased because it’s the LA Times?

Are you really willing to say that many people have no integrity?

And . . . would you be willing to say that with your actual name and email attached to it instead of anonymously?

What you’re saying is that no matter who judges them (and we’re talking at least 100 different judges in the last 5 years from all over the world), they look at the nameplate and vote for them because they’re morally bankrupt and would vote for something not on the merits but because of the name.

That’s interesting.

How SND keeps managing to find corrupt judges from every level of paper and country around the world is pretty amazing, isn’t it? I mean, to find SO MANY of them who are willing to just ignore what a terrible looking paper the LAT actually is and continue to give it awards must take a lot of work and plotting by SND.

]]> By: Enrique Contreras http://www.snd.org/2010/02/snd31-winner-meter-a-periodic-peek-at-the-best/#comment-834 Enrique Contreras Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:46:36 +0000 http://www.snd.org/?p=3338#comment-834 Please upload more pages that won so we can figure out better the level of the competition. Do this and have another beer!!! Please upload more pages that won so we can figure out better the level of the competition. Do this and have another beer!!!

]]> By: Billy http://www.snd.org/2010/02/snd31-winner-meter-a-periodic-peek-at-the-best/#comment-774 Billy Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:23:17 +0000 http://www.snd.org/?p=3338#comment-774 I wonder how many pages would win/not win if the newspaper logos were covered up. You can take a page that has the LA Times logo on it and swap it out for any random paper and it's a loser. I wonder how many pages would win/not win if the newspaper logos were covered up. You can take a page that has the LA Times logo on it and swap it out for any random paper and it’s a loser.

]]> By: Miguel Angel Gomez http://www.snd.org/2010/02/snd31-winner-meter-a-periodic-peek-at-the-best/#comment-744 Miguel Angel Gomez Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:43:56 +0000 http://www.snd.org/?p=3338#comment-744 By the way guys, thanks a lot for the time and effort. Go and have a beer. By the way guys, thanks a lot for the time and effort. Go and have a beer.

]]> By: Miguel Angel Gomez http://www.snd.org/2010/02/snd31-winner-meter-a-periodic-peek-at-the-best/#comment-742 Miguel Angel Gomez Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:17:13 +0000 http://www.snd.org/?p=3338#comment-742 No final message with some juicy data on top winners? Give us some more information please. No final message with some juicy data on top winners?

Give us some more information please.

]]> By: J.R. http://www.snd.org/2010/02/snd31-winner-meter-a-periodic-peek-at-the-best/#comment-740 J.R. Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:51:13 +0000 http://www.snd.org/?p=3338#comment-740 What are the final totals? Can you tell us who the top winners were, how many medals, that kind of stuff? We wanna know! What are the final totals? Can you tell us who the top winners were, how many medals, that kind of stuff? We wanna know!

]]> By: LeeTrisha Koepsell http://www.snd.org/2010/02/snd31-winner-meter-a-periodic-peek-at-the-best/#comment-696 LeeTrisha Koepsell Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:18:32 +0000 http://www.snd.org/?p=3338#comment-696 Shipshape shores is amazing!! I could not help but continue to look at the details and that makes for a wonderful piece of art. Good Luck to all the worthy contestants. Shipshape shores is amazing!! I could not help but continue to look at the details and that makes for a wonderful piece of art. Good Luck to all the worthy contestants.

]]> By: Steve Dorsey http://www.snd.org/2010/02/snd31-winner-meter-a-periodic-peek-at-the-best/#comment-694 Steve Dorsey Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:01:34 +0000 http://www.snd.org/?p=3338#comment-694 Gentlemen, thanks for your comments. To be sure, there's been a lot of great work on the tables all day today, and lots more to come through Monday. This post is intended only to highlight random winners (chosen by their arrival time at the database log-in station only). I think it would be premature to judge anything before it's over, and certainly not based on four examples of nearly 200 winners. Finally, I congratulate the winners we've shown here as a result of their selection by the 21 judges who've worked hard all day to get through thousands of entries and give everything a fair look. Gentlemen, thanks for your comments. To be sure, there’s been a lot of great work on the tables all day today, and lots more to come through Monday. This post is intended only to highlight random winners (chosen by their arrival time at the database log-in station only). I think it would be premature to judge anything before it’s over, and certainly not based on four examples of nearly 200 winners. Finally, I congratulate the winners we’ve shown here as a result of their selection by the 21 judges who’ve worked hard all day to get through thousands of entries and give everything a fair look.

]]> By: James Snowak http://www.snd.org/2010/02/snd31-winner-meter-a-periodic-peek-at-the-best/#comment-692 James Snowak Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:13:53 +0000 http://www.snd.org/?p=3338#comment-692 My appreciation of snark is as good as — maybe better than – the next guy's, so I see Horacio's point. But I try not to judge an entire contest by a few random winners. Hope the results end up revealing some originality, which is getting harder now that there's such a high level of competence in news page design. Makes you wonder what's worth rewarding at all, doesn't it? My appreciation of snark is as good as — maybe better than – the next guy’s, so I see Horacio’s point. But I try not to judge an entire contest by a few random winners. Hope the results end up revealing some originality, which is getting harder now that there’s such a high level of competence in news page design. Makes you wonder what’s worth rewarding at all, doesn’t it?

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